Dolumar Forum - too early

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (cleesan) — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 09:34:42 +0000

check battle's log. you will see your troops running away. victory % equals to number of troops remaining / number of all troops

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (Voldtekt) — Wed, 03 Mar 2010 08:35:23 +0000

I'm not sure exactly what OP said, but here's a battle I was in on the speed server.
Attacker: Voldtekt's Village
Defender: Anundil's Dorp
Date: 03.03.2010 03:07
Outcome: 6% victory
Attacking Units
Unit Amount died
Witches 3 1
Wolf Riders 15 2
Dark Warriors 10 3
Defending Units
Unit Amount died
Citadel Guards 10 2
Knights 3 3

Look it over. The defender was clearly outnumbered. Idk what it is, but a 6% victory? I just can't accept that as how it's supposed to be.

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (whamra1987) — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 16:22:27 +0000

2 people on 1 are 200% bigger, but 1 can quite easily beat 2 and even 3 people, small nhumbers are always affected by luck factors.
on the other hand, 200 against 100 certainly doesn't follow this rule, the chances of luck are quite dim, to have *every* soldier beat 2. it's called statistics.
now we can most certainly lock the formulas, hide the battle events, and just show results, like most other games do, but we don't, we show them.

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (cleesan) — Mon, 01 Mar 2010 12:41:55 +0000

47 against 10 is much bigger (470% to be exact) to me. "bigger" implies comparison. i didnt say my army was big, just bigger.

and 50%? its 50% to run when health gets below 90%.

its true that huge armies suffer from this "luck" mechanic (id rather call it "broken" tho) less, altho still a lot. but what kind of argument is it?

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (whamra1987) — Fri, 26 Feb 2010 23:15:32 +0000

no, to your posts. *much* larger army? anything less than 100 troops is little. any little army can be quite influenced by *luck*. anything over 100 gets less and less *luck* effects, it's called statistics.
and 50%? sentinels follow the same 10% rule.

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (cleesan) — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 01:04:06 +0000

are you trying to refer to posts from 3 pages ago or what?

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (lazarus) — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:52:02 +0000

AAAHHHH!!! you guys all need to take a class in statistics... sorry but you do...

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (cleesan) — Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:41:18 +0000

10% rule is wrong here. in this example attacker barely won, even with much bigger army. but with this stupid rule he could as well lose if guards didnt run (50% chance) and instead attacked remaining regiment causing it to run in next turn (50% chance) resulting in repelled attack. it could have been totally opposite - attacker's regiments dont run in the first turn (50% chance) and instead guards run after first round (50% chance) resulting in 100% victory.

looking at summary its obvious that attacker should win with total victory, thats what everyone would be expecting in every game (assuming units' stats are comparable and in this case they are). but instead we get this - a joke, stupid lottery. 47 units against 10. and out of those 47 28 run away after losing 3 people. because some RNG produced number greater than 50 twice.

i understand that every game needs some randomness. but this? its so obvious, battles shouldnt be decided by some rolls like this. so why are you asking me what do i mean?

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (whamra1987) — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 22:27:31 +0000

uhm.... 47 strong troops attack 10 guards. guards try to defend, they run away after sustaining losses. i see nothing idiotic here. you might as well explain your point instead of throwing random negative comments.

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (cleesan) — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 12:03:40 +0000

battle is idiotic and thats whats wrong here. show it to any reasonable person and they will laugh: "man, what the hell is this?"

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (whamra1987) — Mon, 22 Feb 2010 08:54:10 +0000

nothing wrong here :S
riders lost 1 of 9. (1*100/9=11.1% > 10%) so they chose to run away
the citadel guards also ran on the first turn after losing their 10%
warriors2 lost 3 (3*100/19=15.7% > 10%) and also ran away.
warriors1 were the only ones left in the field, and ensured a win for the attacker. warriors1 are 19 troops. the attacking army in crop worth is 4*9+38*2=112 food worth. what remains is 19 warriors, 38 food worth. 38*100/112=34% which is almost the 36% reported. not sure what causes this 2 persent difference, but the result is accurate.

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (cleesan) — Sun, 21 Feb 2010 23:40:31 +0000

another funny attack:

Suddenly, your captain notices that the enemies archers are getting into place. Quickly, he orders your archers to take aim and fire!
A well placed salvo of 10 Citadel Guards kills 0 units from warriors2 (19 Dark Warriors).
A well placed salvo of 10 Citadel Guards kills 1 units from riders1 (9 Wolf Riders).
10 Citadel Guards don't wait and kill 0 units of warriors1 (19 Dark Warriors).
Your captain orders your troops to rush towards the enemy troops.
riders1 (9 Wolf Riders) run away crying. I told you all of this would end in tears.
warriors2 (19 Dark Warriors) ran towards location 2.
warriors1 (19 Dark Warriors) kill 2 units from 10 Citadel Guards in a melee.
warriors2 (19 Dark Warriors) kill 2 units from 10 Citadel Guards in a melee.
10 Citadel Guards kill 2 units from warriors2 (18 Dark Warriors) in a melee.
warriors2 (18 Dark Warriors) run away crying. I told you all of this would end in tears.
10 Citadel Guards run away crying. I told you all of this would end in tears.
A river of blood flows from the battlefield. While the sun sets, your captain looks over the battlefield, full of wounded and dead soldiers. The fight is over... but is the battle?

summary:

36% victory
Attacking Units
Unit Amount died
Dark Warriors 38 2
Wolf Riders 9 1
Defending Units
Unit Amount died
Citadel Guards 10 4

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (Wolfie_123) — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:37:05 +0000

whamra1987 wrote:

indeed. it has a 50% of running away, after EVERY turn. and if a regiment never flees away after losing its 10%, that's a bug. go read the code, it might enlighten you a bit.

ok thanks for explaining

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (whamra1987) — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:27:17 +0000

indeed. it has a 50% of running away, after EVERY turn. and if a regiment never flees away after losing its 10%, that's a bug. go read the code, it might enlighten you a bit.

Re: too early

dummy@example.com (Wolfie_123) — Wed, 10 Feb 2010 08:25:16 +0000

whamra1987 wrote:

Wolfie_123 wrote:
whamra1987 wrote:
he actually won, had you analyzed the report carefully.
those sentinels didn't run away until they all died. that's a bug.
Those sentinels didn't run away at all, they just died
The ga'uls ran away after loosing 10%.
Still don't see the bug.
oh dear. here it is, in a tiny little spoon brought to you so you can understand.
*every* regiment is supposed to consider running away after losing 10%. and if it gets total death, ie. goes out of battle calculations after dying completely, that's a bug.

every regiment has a 50% chance to run away after losing 10%